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BitChute Discussion With Straitway Life Ministry

Below is a discussion that was posted as comments to the video entitled:

“ACTS 21:17-26 PAUL PROVES HE IS NOT AGAINST TORAH”

Here is the video link, from which this post was taken: https://www.bitchute.com/video/HmcVkcty6uo/

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Paul, who most likely is the author of the book of Hebrews, look at what he has this to say on the matter: < Hebrews 7:12 > – “For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a CHANGE of the law” . Changing the priesthood means changing the law. Christians are under a “higher” law now. This law is referred to in scripture as the “Law of Christ”. We are no longer under the law of Moses. I would advise you sir to do a study of Matthew chapter 5 and see all of the law changes that have taken place since the Torah law. Many Many changes to law have occurred. There have been law changes on adultery, divorce, making oaths, eye for an eye tooth for a tooth etc…. The Sabbath of the new testament is much different than the mere setting aside of Saturday as a day of rest. Paul makes it very clear that Christians are under a different law now. The law of the New Testament also known as the law of liberty. <galatians 4:9-11=””> But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. (( Beware of the Judiazers !!! ))

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    You start off by saying that Paul is “most likely” the author of the book of Hebrews. I disagree. The writing style of Hebrews is much different than Paul’s writing style. And I’m not alone in this belief. “Early Church Father” Eusebius expressed a similar view. In fact, Eusebius confirms that in the early church, “some have rejected the Epistle to the Hebrews… on the ground that it was not written by Paul.” – and this fact has HUGE implications in this discussion.
    Origen, another church father, also expressed his doubt of Paul being the author. Origen went as far as to say, “the phraseology and construction are those of someone who remembered the Apostle’s teaching and wrote HIS OWN INTERPRETATION of what his master had said”

    But let’s continue, just in case Eusebius, and Origen were both wrong…

    Whether or not Hebrews was written by Paul is a subject alone which demands a book to be written, as it is a very deep subject. However, one example is the enormous amount of “apocryphic” material in the book of Hebrews. It is literally SATURATED by themes, and doctrines obviously and clearly taken from the apocrypha, and “Pseudepigrapha”.

    Paul is known for his “faith” and “grace” teachings, which we do not see reflected in the book of Hebrews. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Hebrews gives absolutely NO ROOM for sin. Consider Hebrews 6, and Hebrews 10:26-31, clearly teaching that if a Christian sins, you’re COOKED. Most pastors today stick their fingers in their ears, turn a blind eye, and stutter “yeah, but, yeah, but…” in the face of such scriptures.
    Paul gives warnings too in his letters. But not like the book of Hebrews.
    “Without holiness no man can see the Lord” vs. “confess and believe”. There’s a bit of difference there.
    Someone might argue that Paul writes to Jews, rather than to the Gentiles, and that accounts for the change of content, style, and tone. They overlook the fact that there were many Jews in the churches Paul wrote to in his epistles. That’s not to mention that even the audience of the Book of Hebrews is also disputed. Who decided to call it “Hebrews” anyway?

    You said “I would advise you sir to do a study of Matthew chapter 5 and see all of the law changes that have taken place since the Torah law.”

    I have spent approx 12 years in what I would deem “light study”
    BUT I spend another 27 years in what I would deem “deep, heavy study” i.e. studying the CULTURE, language, and surrounding texts.
    After all that, I have come to the opposite conclusion as you. You obviously haven’t heard my exposition on Matthew 5, have you? You haven’t seen ALL my videos on the book of Acts, have you? If you did, you would not say what you said.

    You appeal very much to Hebrews 7. Don’t overlook the subject of Hebrews 7: Levitical priesthood vs Melchizedekic priesthood – BOTH of which followed the “greater” Torah. i.e. the same “Torah” that Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Lot, Isaac, and Jacob obviously followed.
    There is a well-known church in my area. The doctrine there is that the “law of Moses” is passed away. But of course, the pastor preaches heavy on tithing. They teach that Abraham (just like in the book of Hebrews) gave tithes. Therefore, tithes is not part of the “law of Moses”. Since the “law of Moses” has come and gone, we are left with the “pre-Mosaic” law which is still in effect. Bottom line, they teach tithing is not abolished because it existed before the “law of Moses”. So then, they concluded that everyone should still tithe because tithing existed before Moses, therefore was not abolished with the “law of Moses”.

    However, such a point of view is very inconsistent. Animal sacrifices also existed before the law of Moses. Other aspects of the Torah can be clearly seen before Moses as well – such as the law of love, forgiveness, and sexual immorality – to name a few. Therefore, we shall not practice a double standard here. Ultimately, if tithing is not done away with because it existed before Moses, then animal sacrifice should not be done away with because it existed before Moses. As a side-note, we clearly see that Christians in the book of Acts didn’t believe animal sacrifice was done away with, as they DID IT. And of course, they don’t teach this fact in most Christian circles today. It’s time Christians come out of their traditional erroneous doctrine that has never been challenged, and READ the Bible for themselves, and understand not only the textual context of a passage, but also the cultural context thereof. Listen to all my pre-recorded sessions, from Matthew – Acts for more info on that.
    In conclusion, your appeal to Hebrews 7 to substantiate a claim that God gives us a free heaven-bound ticket to live like lawLESS, TorahLESS animals needs NOT to be implemented with a double standard. Animal sacrifices should also be practiced if you cite the Hebrew 7 standard. But obviously, most Christians would say that animal sacrifices are “done away with” because Christ IS our sacrifice. Likewise, most pastors should apply the same standard to tithing, saying that Christ IS our tithe. But of course, in modern day Christianity we are met with a double standard.

    Your citing of Hebrews 7 shows your ignorance of the Torah. There are certain (minimal) aspects of the Torah which are subject to change with circumstance. Even the Jews of today know this. That is in principle, why they don’t do sacrifices today. But keep in mind, those aspects of Torah are very rare, and minimal. Hosea knew this as we can see in his writings. But that is another subject that calls for another book to be written.

    To summarize Hebrew 7, one could say that the “soft” or “pliable” parts of Torah needed to be changed insofar as to accommodate a Melchizdekic priest. However, that doesn’t mean that you throw out the entire “law”!! God forbid! If that were the case, you would have to throw out God Himself, and replace Him with a “New Testament” God, which is nothing but Marcionic!

    If you have done your studies, you would plainly see that are at least “SOME” commands in the Torah that do not apply today, such as God’s commands for Joshua. Joshua isn’t with us now. Therefore, those commands are not applicable. It would be fair to assume that the writer of Hebrews is referring to this rule of thumb in his Levite vs Melchizedekic priesthood literary rundown.

    BUT, there are A LOT of commands that are still in effect. In the “books of Moses” alone there are over 40 instances where God clearly said that the ordinances brought down are perpetual, forever, without end, and to all generations.
    If what you say is true, God is a LIAR, and a DECEIVER.

    Not sure what you are referring to when you claim that the “laws of adultery, divorce, making oaths, eye for an eye tooth for a tooth” have changed. But if you are referring to Jesus’ teaching on these matters, you are seriously mistaken. Jesus NEVER spoke anything against Torah. In fact, Jesus drove the Torah even DEEPER in people’s lives. EVERYTHING Jesus taught was taking directly out of Torah, including the laws of adultery, divorce, making oaths, eye for an eye tooth for a tooth.
    He never changed one iota. Rather, he expounded on them.

    For instance, some of the Pharisees used one commandment as a licence to break another (similar to the way Christians use grace and “not by works” as a licence to sin today).
    The Pharisees quoted one commandment to justify breaking another. They clung to “eye for eye, tooth for tooth” to justify holding grudges and personal hatred – a direct violation of “thou shalt not hold a grudge” (Torah on forgiveness)
    They ignored the law which commands them to walk in love and forgiveness, and misinterpreted, and misapplied the law (for the judges) to execute justice to justify their sin.
    Jesus saw their double-standard hypocrisy. Therefore, He cleared up the matter. He NEVER changed anything. NEVER. God forbid! Rather, Jesus only put the commandments into proper perspective and interpretation.
    Same goes for adultery, divorce, etc… etc…

    The writings we have in our “New Testament” today says nothing about changing the Sabbath. On the contrary, we see ALL the disciples, apostles, and followers of Jesus observing the Sabbath to the utmost degree from the gospels, right through the book of Acts – even to the point of attending synagogue every Sabbath.
    Sure there was an attempt to charge Jesus with breaking the Sabbath, but none of those charges held water. When Jesus asked them if it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath, they were SILENT. Because they knew He was RIGHT according to Jewish law!
    Once again, Jesus clarified the true meaning and implementation of the Sabbath. And the religious authorities of Jesus day was left speechless because they KNOW that Jesus is right – according to the Torah, Jesus IS ALLOWED to pick grain when He is very hungry, and heal on the Sabbath. The religious authorities knew that if they could prove that Jesus was breaking Torah, then He would be deemed a “sinner” (not a savior) and they were right in that respect. But they were wrong in their interpretation of the Torah – similar to what I described in the example of “eye for eye, tooth for tooth”. The religious people misinterpreted, and misapplied the Sabbath laws in desperate attempt to prove that Jesus was a sinner.

    You need to read the gospel’s. Jesus said over, and over, and over again that He doesn’t come preaching anything new. He said that His Word is NOT His own Word. He preaches ONLY His Father’s word. And obviously, the Father’s Word is the Eternal Word, with is the Eternal Law. Christ’s Law IS the Father’s Law which IS Torah. “Law of Christ” and “Law of God” is synonymous. Christ is NOT separated from His Father. The Law of Christ IS the Law of Moses. Jesus made it clear as He rebuked the ignorant in His day saying, you read the scriptures (Law of Moses)… but they are ALL ABOUT ME. The Law of Moses reflect Jesus in every way = Law of Christ.

    Your assumption that the Torah is “bondage” is the epitome of proof that you have been duped by modern day corrupt Christian doctrine. There are MANY passages in the scriptures that CLEARLY state that the Torah IS the “Law of Liberty”. Read Psalm 119 for starters. There is MUCH MORE. You should know this.

    Do you actually think that God looked upon his beloved people in the bondage of Egypt and said, “Hey! They are in bondage. Let’s do something about it. I’m going to do them a great favor. I love them so much. I’m going to set them FREE! I’m going to deliver them out of bondage, just so I can slap another bondage on them! HAHA”?

    Furthermore, the scriptures are clear that if you are not in bondage to righteousness, then you are in bondage to sin. Are you in bondage to sin?

    God is a God of freedom. And His UNCHANGING law reflects His UNCHANGING character. God has nothing but utmost praise for His law – none of which God calls “bondage”. Once again, even the Jews of today know this. That is why they CELEBRATE with dancing and singing every time the Torah is taken out! Saying that the Torah is “bondage” is at best a serious misinterpretation of Paul, and at worst, a gross injustice to God and His Word.

    You would do well to steer clear of Ignatius’ rants against “Judaizers”, as Ignatius taught many things contrary to Christ’s teachings. But even if we ignore all the errors of Ignatius, at best, we may conclude that Ignatius was warning others against converting BACK to non-messianic Judaism as he said in his own words, “For Christianity did not embrace Judaism, but Judaism Christianity”. Although Ignatius’ practice and interpretation of these matters is very sketchy, even Ignatius himself encouraged others saying, “But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, REJOICING in meditation ON THE LAW”
    He crystallized this fact by saying that the Old Testament Prophets were SERVANTS OF CHRIST (in all their Torah observance). Therefore, if we look at Ignatius in the best light possible, we can conclude that his rant against “Judaizers” was a rant against those who tried to convert people to NON-messianic Judaism – NOT Torah-observant, messianic Judaism i.e. Biblical Christianity.

    Do you spend your Sabbaths meditating, and REJOICING on the LAW?
    You would be a hypocrite to cite Ignatius against Judaizers, and not follow through with the rest of his teaching to meditate on Torah every Sabbath with joy.
    But after all, let’s not forget that much of Ignatius’ doctrine was contrary to that of our Lord, and book of Acts Christianity anyway.

    As you probably know, but for the sake of other readers, Ignatius was one of the successors of the Apostles. But that doesn’t mean he is consistent with them. Consider how quickly Adam and Eve fell from the truth when God wasn’t there, how fast the descendants of Noah fell into grave sin in Sodom, how fast the children of Israel fell when Moses left to go up the Mount, how fast Israel fell into sin when Joshua passed away. There is no wonder the church quickly fell away shortly after the oversight of original Twelve.

    The scriptures are clear – God has given priority to the Jews. Jesus said that salvation itself comes from the Jews. Paul said on multiple occasions that Jews are FIRST in line, then the Gentiles. God has a special place in His heart for the Jewish people. The rhetoric that you are propagating IS the reason so many of the Jews are in darkness, and remain in darkness. Once the church get’s her doctrine back to the way it was in the first century, then the church will see the same fruit as it did in the first century – daily growth, with thousands being added in one day – Most of them Jews!

    Did you actually watch this whole video? Or did you ignore it, assuming that there is no possible way you could have believed false doctrine from your past mentors?

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